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Poster: thoman8r Date: Nov 28, 2003 6:26am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: It would seem brewster is back ... mp3 disscussion time?

May I point out also, that worse that having mp3s around, is that many concerts are only available from a MiniDisc source. Supporting them and boycotting mp3 would be extremely hypocritical.

I don't think you really understand the issue here. It's about avoiding the degradation of already existing sources. It's not about only allowing certain sources onto the archive.

If somebody records a show to MD (or analog cassette) and wants to post it to the archive, I'm all for it. Not everybody has the money to use DAT's or laptops.

However, say somebody taped a show to DAT and a MD taper patched out of that person. Or at some point in post-production the show was converted to MD. If the DAT source is available on the archive, the MD version of the same source has no business being here.

Do you see how this is different from the example you gave, and how this directly relates to mp3s?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Nov 28, 2003 8:46am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: It would seem brewster is back ... mp3 disscussion time?

What about his points about the Open Source Audio and Net Labels collections already having a significant amount of lossy content hosted here? With the closure and destruction of the content on mp3.com that amount is likely to increase significantly.

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Poster: thoman8r Date: Nov 28, 2003 4:06pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: It would seem brewster is back ... mp3 disscussion time?

I really don't concern myself with other sections of archive.org. I am only concerned with the Live Music Archive, which was founded on the principles of the etree.org community which sought (and continues to seek) the proliferation of high quality sources throughout the community.

You can do whatever you want in the rest of the archive.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Nov 29, 2003 2:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: It would seem brewster is back ... mp3 disscussion time?

The only difference between audio in the LMA and the rest of the site is one field in the database. So, as far as your concerned lossy audio is fine as long as its on a different part of the site?

It sounds like there's plenty of room for compromise there.

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Poster: thoman8r Date: Nov 29, 2003 2:37am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: It would seem brewster is back ... mp3 disscussion time?

The only difference between audio in the LMA and the rest of the site is one field in the database. So, as far as your concerned lossy audio is fine as long as its on a different part of the site?

The scope of this discussion is the Live Music Archive, not any other part of the archive. Like I said, I do not concern myself with the rest of the archive as I do not use it, so I don't really have an opinion on what formats they use.

It sounds like there's plenty of room for compromise there.

I don't think I really understand what you mean. Are you suggesting a compromise would be allowing mp3s on other parts of the archive but not the LMA? Obviously I would be ok with that, but I don't think that's really germane to this discussion. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you though?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Nov 29, 2003 3:10am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: It would seem brewster is back ... mp3 disscussion time?

My interest is in listening to the music in a reasonable amount of time. I don't really care which part of the IA website the music resides on. It sounds like you do care which part of the website lossless only music resides on, namely the LMA part of the website.

From that a workable compromise sounds like when people upload a lossless piece of audio they are given the choice of whether a lossy version may be hosted with it. If they indicate that its acceptable for a lossy version to be made the listing for it will not appear in the LMA part of the website.

Does that clear up what I was driving at?

Now, whether this is acceptable to the community as a whole is another question.

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Poster: thoman8r Date: Nov 29, 2003 3:42am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: It would seem brewster is back ... mp3 disscussion time?

Does that clear up what I was driving at?

I understand what your driving at but I don't agree. What I was referring to is the part of the audio archive that hosts audio that is not live concerts. Hosting full shows or even entire songs in mp3 in any part of the archive is not cool with me. A duck is still a duck by any other name.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Nov 29, 2003 3:58am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: It would seem brewster is back ... mp3 disscussion time?

Well I'm glad I kept asking so I could figure out what your position is and make sure that I was not misunderstood.

So, you would leave if a live music concert in a lossy format were uploaded to the OSA part of the website and the IA did not remove it? Given the open publishing policy of that section I can't help but imagine that it is inevitable that that occur, espcially in light of the situation at mp3.com.

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Poster: thoman8r Date: Nov 29, 2003 4:41am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: It would seem brewster is back ... mp3 disscussion time?

So, you would leave if a live music concert in a lossy format were uploaded to the OSA part of the website and the IA did not remove it?

I'm not going to directly respond to your question because I doubt archive.org intended for the OSA to become a way to circumvent the policies of its other audio sections, and have to believe that they would take measures to prevent that from happening.

Let me be as clear as possible: I don't want any live concerts or individual songs made available in mp3 on this site unless an artist has a policy of MANDATORY mp3 inclusion for their stuff to be made available here. Not my stuff, not anyone elses.